If you want to learn about your Renault electric vehicle, you’ve come to a good starting point. We will supply you with an app that displays driving stats and lots of interesting information about your car. All you need is a Bluetooth OBDII dongle and an Android device. For a more detailed description of the app see the about or the screenshot page.
The app is also available on Google Play store here.
Version 1.16 is being rolled out, so stay tuned while Google approves the build 😉
2016.10.11 [Jeroen] Refined length of prediction interval
2016.08.24 [Jeroen] Split ZOE into ZOE Q210 and ZOE R240 for battery prediction
All the hype has been over the new R90 an Q90 and there has been written so much about it, that we didn’t feel the need to add to that. Of course we would love to get our hands on a ZOE with a big battery, because we probably need to change at lot of graphs and most certainly the battery prediction model.
Speaking about the that, there is a release upcoming with major improvements in the prediction model. As a consequence, the car selection in the Settings screen will change to also distinguish between a Q210 and an R240, as the latter will top charging at 22 kW even when it is connected to a more potent charger. If you do own a R240, please do check the settings screen after the next release. Also, expect the Q90 and R90 to be included too pretty soon, which will use the exact same mathematical model, but with a bigger capacity. We have no idea if this is correct and time will tell.
Actually, we don’t even know if the ’90 models speak the same language on the CANbus, but we do expect that to be the case. Stay tuned. As always, once we’re ready to roll, we’ll publish an update note here, drop a new release in the play store and publish an APK file.
Well, we had to discuss it one day: charged timing and the TCU. While I am not a proponent of doing that based on the car’s (TCU) logic, there are many drivers using this and it DOES have quirks. One was a UK base driver that had it’s timed charger not only stuck (the icon it was on timed kept re-appearing even when he disabled it), it even refused to charge when it was inside the charging time slot. That is basically a 100% disabled car.
Pull/push the F31 fuse seems to do the trick. documentation says 10A, Body Control Module (which controls most non-drive-train related functions), Telematics Control Module. It is the second row counting from the left, second fuse counting from the bottom up in the fusebox in the cabin.
Another driver advised to carefully pry open the R-Link bezel, and disconnect the white connector to the TCU unit. Reconnect after a minute or two and with some luck, the TCU is as if it were reborn.
My guess is that a disconnect of the 12 volt battery would do exactly the same, but I cannot confirm this. That sure is easier and avoids the risk of breaking plastic hooks. Open the bonnet, end disconnect the minus cable boom from the battery, that is the one not having the red fuse box on top.
My advice would be to try pull/push F31 first, then the 12 volt battery, and if it doesn’t work, go for the white connector.
From a friendly driver, I got this picture. No, not his ZOE.
The most interesting part in my opinion was the location of the TCU.
It is that black box on the far right side of the picture. Wrong. It is not in this picture, situate behind R-Link and in front of the windshield vents. Damn hard to replace!
The open bracket under it is the mount for the radio module, you can see the white coaxial connector dangling just next to the insulation mat. Think of it like a traditional car radio form factor but without a front.
Lots of unidentified stuff, such as the black box under the center ventilation vent. Maybe it’s the climate computer. From what I understand the two boxes under the ventilation panel area are the fragrance / ionisation controller and a multimedia gateway.
ZOE falls in a deep sleep about 6 minutes after she’s closed up. I have written about this before in the context of resetting the BCB. For delayed charging under charger control this can be problematic: if you connect ZOE to an unpowered charger, i.e. one with a timer in its power line, she will fall asleep and nothing but opening the doors will waker her up.
However, my charger, a KEBA P20 has a control line where you can disable charging without powering it down. I use this for timed charging, which has somewhat complicated schedules in my country: economy rates are active at night and during weekends and during some bank holidays. Easter Monday (variable date!) being one of them. I was curious how the charger kept ZOE awake enough to start charging after hours in a disabled state.
Here is how the protocol works.
- You plug in the cable. The car is still awake and detects the PP-PE resistor of the cable and locks it. The chargerpoint also puts a +12 volt DC through a 1K resistor on the CP pin, but this is not what makes the car detect the cable.
- The car sees the 12 volt signal and signals the chargerpoint it would appreciate a charge. It does so by applying a resistor (882 ohms) between CP and PE. This drops the voltage from 12 to 6 volts, which is detected by the charger.
- If the chargerpoint is enabled, it will change the signal to a square wave pilot signal. The positive pulse width indicates the maximum current per lead the car is allowed to take. In my case it was 268 uS, corresponding to 16.08 amps. It will also close the contacter, connecting the car to the grid.
- The car recognizes the pilot, closes it’s own contactors and starts charging.
If however the charger is disabled, it will not close the contactors and it will not change the CP signal to a pilot, but just keep it at a steady 12 volt, minus the drop over the 1K resistor of course caused by the car requesting a charge. ZOE stays awake enough now to recognize the transition to charging later on. I am pretty sure you need to connect your car to the powered, but possibly disabled charger before she falls asleep.
Bottom line: if you have a chargepoint that cannot be disabled but you want it to do so, insert a relay in the CP line, common to the car side, NC to the chargepoint side. The NO side should be wired through a 1K resistor to +12 volt, which you need to find somewhere in the chargepoint. The chargepoint will not see the car being connected, the car will see the keep awake signal. As always, be very careful. Live wires close by.
It’s remarkably hard to find pictures of just the PEB (the inverter and DC/DC converter) of the Q210 as a single unit. I came across this single one though. I am the first to admit it is not a very interesting picture, but it’s all we have at the moment. Note that the box is upside down in this picture. Imagine the orange connectors on the left side when facing the car, and the entire module upside down, so the square black block, which I suspect is the 12 volt connector from the DC/DC converter being on the right bottom side.
The visible orange connector feeds the rotor coil for excitation. Tucked away under that metal ridge at the far right side (so in reality, on the top left side) are the 3 connectors to the stator coils.
I got a few pictures from a friendly mechanic of the inside of part of the BCB. I must admit I was suprised!
First, for reference, the buildup. The left sub-box contains charger electronics (no pictures), the right sub-box is the main power interconnect.
Cover removed. See image above for the connectors. The Neutral point connector goes directly into the motor. What is marked as signal connector are two smaller ones, the top one going to the charge connector lock motor, the other probably the CANbus. What they call the Converter, is technically known as the PEB. Note the 40 amp fuses between the battery wires and the heat pump connector, snugged away against the forward wall. Also note the orange bus-bars connecting the battery and the interconnect to the inverter against the aft wall. I suspect the third connector is for the high power rheostats, that are only installed in the cold climate versions of the ZOE.
Upper half, containing plugs and wiring removed. The blue box is a triple capacitor. The two black components I cannot identify, but I suspect the left one being a coil, and the right one being an integrated charger.
The removed upper half. The cable to the charging plug in the nose is connected to the other, closed half of the BCB, left bottom.
Re-applying heat conducting paste to the charger module.
Nicely cleaned bottom, ready to accept the modules covered in heat conducting paste again.
Note: The rotor cable, as well as the three phase cables to the motor come directly from the PEB.
In one of the UK fora, there was quite a discussion about the 12 volt battery. I did some investigation and here is what I have found so far.
- the battery is a normal car battery, read, a lead-acid starter type battery. I assume same as i.e. Clio;
- the battery is needed to boot the car. Without it, the 400 volt system cannot be activated, which is a deadlock.
As for charging and jump-starting, this is all verboten by the manuals. With that disclaimer in place:
- you can jump-start the ZOE by connecting another isolated battery and starting the ZOE. It will start charging the empty battery immediately;
- alternatively, charge the battery with an external charger, but then always disconnect the minus pole of the ZOE first;
- jump-starting another car is possible (as it is a starter battery), but again, always disconnect the ZOE’s minus first.
The instruction manual on the fuses really is off. Here is the real thing, in German though. In all fairness, I got this from the first reply in this thread.
Note that there are also fuses in the red box op top of the 12 volt battery, a HUGE 250 amp fuse inside the battery pack, and probably a few more in the USM box under the hood.
No, this post is not about the rumours of the upcoming new battery pack by Renault. Imecar Elektronik of Turkey, in cooperation with Renault Turkey, have rebuild a ZOE battery pack to a capacity of 43 kWh. I don’t have details, but the picture suggest close to 4000 NCR18650PF cells. That in itself is an interesting design, as using cylindrical cells take a bit more space than the prismatic/pouch cells originally used in the ZOE. The casing, peripherals and LBCs have been re-used from the original battery. The metal box on top contains the LBCs computers, including the balancer circuits. In this picture the control wire to the LBCs seem not to have been installed yet.
I have absolutely no idea about net capacity, probable weight increase, etcetera. They are testing the pack as we speak. Stay tuned!