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		By: Niels		</title>
		<link>https://canze.fisch.lu/2018/03/24/lead-acid-battery-replacement-advice/#comment-676</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Niels]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2020 10:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://canze.fisch.lu/2018/03/24/lead-acid-battery-replacement-advice/#comment-675&quot;&gt;Niels de Kok&lt;/a&gt;.

Probably during charging as in: charging of the 12v battery by the alternator. Not charging the traction battery.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://canze.fisch.lu/2018/03/24/lead-acid-battery-replacement-advice/#comment-675">Niels de Kok</a>.</p>
<p>Probably during charging as in: charging of the 12v battery by the alternator. Not charging the traction battery.</p>
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		By: Niels de Kok		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2020 10:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Same here, i&#039;ve had the check electric system message throughout the winter (At the time the car and 12 V battery was 2.5 years old). The message stopped appearing when temperatures increased. I haven&#039;t seen this message until yesterday paired with another message (Hill assist failed). Checked again with CanZe, and the replacement advice always has been, and still is, &quot;none&quot;. iirc, max voltage (probably during charging) 14.1 V, After car goes to sleep (waited 10 minutes) is approximately 12.3 V. Max current under load i&#039;ve seen numbers of upwards 110 A (i assume) and max voltage under load i haven&#039;t seen below 11.6 V]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same here, i&#8217;ve had the check electric system message throughout the winter (At the time the car and 12 V battery was 2.5 years old). The message stopped appearing when temperatures increased. I haven&#8217;t seen this message until yesterday paired with another message (Hill assist failed). Checked again with CanZe, and the replacement advice always has been, and still is, &#8220;none&#8221;. iirc, max voltage (probably during charging) 14.1 V, After car goes to sleep (waited 10 minutes) is approximately 12.3 V. Max current under load i&#8217;ve seen numbers of upwards 110 A (i assume) and max voltage under load i haven&#8217;t seen below 11.6 V</p>
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		By: Cédric Berger		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cédric Berger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2019 15:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://canze.fisch.lu/2018/03/24/lead-acid-battery-replacement-advice/#comment-673&quot;&gt;Jeroen Meijer&lt;/a&gt;.

Excellent!
Just when I was thinking of trying to mesure it by directly plugging an analyser on my battery...
As I indicated before, I had the “Système ELEC à contrôler” warning, which later did not go away even after resting.
Renault then updated my EVC ( http://renault-zoe.forumpro.fr/t12422p25-problemes-apres-upgrade-22-41-kwh#266370 ) which version installed during 41 kWh battery upgrade was buggy.
They also changed the water pump.
But I still the “Système ELEC à contrôler” message still came back later, and it is now quite often (maybe because of winter), especially after a charge when I did not charge the day before.
My 12 V battery voltage after rest looked quite OK (last time I measured it directly it was about 12,4 V)
&quot;Replacement advice&quot; always showed None ...

I checked this morning with CanZE development version (the car had finished a long charge and was at 100%, still plugged in):
- without touching anything, car still closed (the dongle was already plugged in): 
    - Voltage: 12,5
    - Voltage under load: 16,0
    - Current under load: 151,0
- just after opening the car:
    - Voltage: 13,4
    - Voltage under load: 11,6
    - Current under load: -80,0]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://canze.fisch.lu/2018/03/24/lead-acid-battery-replacement-advice/#comment-673">Jeroen Meijer</a>.</p>
<p>Excellent!<br />
Just when I was thinking of trying to mesure it by directly plugging an analyser on my battery&#8230;<br />
As I indicated before, I had the “Système ELEC à contrôler” warning, which later did not go away even after resting.<br />
Renault then updated my EVC ( <a href="http://renault-zoe.forumpro.fr/t12422p25-problemes-apres-upgrade-22-41-kwh#266370" rel="nofollow ugc">http://renault-zoe.forumpro.fr/t12422p25-problemes-apres-upgrade-22-41-kwh#266370</a> ) which version installed during 41 kWh battery upgrade was buggy.<br />
They also changed the water pump.<br />
But I still the “Système ELEC à contrôler” message still came back later, and it is now quite often (maybe because of winter), especially after a charge when I did not charge the day before.<br />
My 12 V battery voltage after rest looked quite OK (last time I measured it directly it was about 12,4 V)<br />
&#8220;Replacement advice&#8221; always showed None &#8230;</p>
<p>I checked this morning with CanZE development version (the car had finished a long charge and was at 100%, still plugged in):<br />
&#8211; without touching anything, car still closed (the dongle was already plugged in):<br />
    &#8211; Voltage: 12,5<br />
    &#8211; Voltage under load: 16,0<br />
    &#8211; Current under load: 151,0<br />
&#8211; just after opening the car:<br />
    &#8211; Voltage: 13,4<br />
    &#8211; Voltage under load: 11,6<br />
    &#8211; Current under load: -80,0</p>
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		By: Jeroen Meijer		</title>
		<link>https://canze.fisch.lu/2018/03/24/lead-acid-battery-replacement-advice/#comment-673</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeroen Meijer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2019 19:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Follow up: I have not yet seen anyone report anything but a - for the replacement advice. I have my doubts about it giving out helpful information.

In the development version of CanZE, I have added two more fields I found which seem to indicate voltage and current under extreme load/charging conditions. If I am correct, it is the result of the pulsebox tests. I am talking &#062; 100 A currents. These number require more interpretation but should give a more insight in the condition of the 12 volt battery.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Follow up: I have not yet seen anyone report anything but a &#8211; for the replacement advice. I have my doubts about it giving out helpful information.</p>
<p>In the development version of CanZE, I have added two more fields I found which seem to indicate voltage and current under extreme load/charging conditions. If I am correct, it is the result of the pulsebox tests. I am talking &gt; 100 A currents. These number require more interpretation but should give a more insight in the condition of the 12 volt battery.</p>
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		By: Jeroen Meijer		</title>
		<link>https://canze.fisch.lu/2018/03/24/lead-acid-battery-replacement-advice/#comment-672</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeroen Meijer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2018 22:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://canze.fisch.lu/2018/03/24/lead-acid-battery-replacement-advice/#comment-670&quot;&gt;Cédric Berger&lt;/a&gt;.

Current is in amps yes. DCDC % is to be read as &quot;DCDC converter load&quot;. AFAIK the converter is capable of delivering 1kW (= 80 amps = 100%). Sorry for the late reply.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://canze.fisch.lu/2018/03/24/lead-acid-battery-replacement-advice/#comment-670">Cédric Berger</a>.</p>
<p>Current is in amps yes. DCDC % is to be read as &#8220;DCDC converter load&#8221;. AFAIK the converter is capable of delivering 1kW (= 80 amps = 100%). Sorry for the late reply.</p>
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		By: Jeroen Meijer		</title>
		<link>https://canze.fisch.lu/2018/03/24/lead-acid-battery-replacement-advice/#comment-671</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeroen Meijer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2018 22:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://canze.fisch.lu/2018/03/24/lead-acid-battery-replacement-advice/#comment-669&quot;&gt;cose385&lt;/a&gt;.

Could yes, but first we need to establish if it&#039;s anything good to be honest. My battery is fine, so no way (yet) to know. Feedback appreciated.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://canze.fisch.lu/2018/03/24/lead-acid-battery-replacement-advice/#comment-669">cose385</a>.</p>
<p>Could yes, but first we need to establish if it&#8217;s anything good to be honest. My battery is fine, so no way (yet) to know. Feedback appreciated.</p>
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		By: Cédric Berger		</title>
		<link>https://canze.fisch.lu/2018/03/24/lead-acid-battery-replacement-advice/#comment-670</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cédric Berger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2018 08:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I had the message &quot;Système ELEC à contrôler&quot; 4 times since end of december (when my traction battery was upgraded to 41 kWh).
(there is the -orange- maintenance icon + the battery with exclamation mark icon, but not the red little battery with &quot;+ -&quot; an)

I checked with canZE, also this morning while I had the warning, but the Replacement advice is still at &quot;none&quot;.
(my 12V battery is 2 years old)
Voltage of 12V battery reported by CanZE was 13.2V/13.3V while on, then with car off, went down to about 12.2V  (which looks OK I guess).

How the 12V current measurements can be interpreted ?
&quot;Courant batterie 12 volts&quot;  (I had ~ 60 and down to about 5-10 with heater off)
&quot;Charge DCDC %&quot;  (varying, values a bit lower than &quot;Courant batterie 12V&quot;. With car off, around 5, and the 12 V current went close to 0)
=&#062; is the 12 V current (in Amperes ?)the global output of both the Charging 400V-&#062;12V converter, and 12V battery? (i.e. some of the converter output may or may not be charging the battery, but it is not be shown here?)
=&#062; what is &quot;Charge DCDC %&quot; is it the current from AC-AC converter to 12V battery ? Is it Amperes? (why is there a %?)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had the message &#8220;Système ELEC à contrôler&#8221; 4 times since end of december (when my traction battery was upgraded to 41 kWh).<br />
(there is the -orange- maintenance icon + the battery with exclamation mark icon, but not the red little battery with &#8220;+ -&#8221; an)</p>
<p>I checked with canZE, also this morning while I had the warning, but the Replacement advice is still at &#8220;none&#8221;.<br />
(my 12V battery is 2 years old)<br />
Voltage of 12V battery reported by CanZE was 13.2V/13.3V while on, then with car off, went down to about 12.2V  (which looks OK I guess).</p>
<p>How the 12V current measurements can be interpreted ?<br />
&#8220;Courant batterie 12 volts&#8221;  (I had ~ 60 and down to about 5-10 with heater off)<br />
&#8220;Charge DCDC %&#8221;  (varying, values a bit lower than &#8220;Courant batterie 12V&#8221;. With car off, around 5, and the 12 V current went close to 0)<br />
=&gt; is the 12 V current (in Amperes ?)the global output of both the Charging 400V-&gt;12V converter, and 12V battery? (i.e. some of the converter output may or may not be charging the battery, but it is not be shown here?)<br />
=&gt; what is &#8220;Charge DCDC %&#8221; is it the current from AC-AC converter to 12V battery ? Is it Amperes? (why is there a %?)</p>
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		By: cose385		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2018 13:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Beside displaying this info in &quot;12V battery&quot; section, this warning (everything other than &#039;-&#039;) could be displayed as a warning immediately upon starting CanZE?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beside displaying this info in &#8220;12V battery&#8221; section, this warning (everything other than &#8216;-&#8216;) could be displayed as a warning immediately upon starting CanZE?</p>
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